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Contents 1 Exalted Wiki Improvement Drive, proposed by Bodhisattva 2 Important Note 3 Camel caps (or Camel Caps) 4 Thaumaturgy & Other Namespaces 5 Naming Convention 6 Canonical vs. Non-Canonical Charm Names 7 Naming Conventions 8 Organization of Information 9 Random page 10 List of _____ Charms pages 11 Rich White Templates With Problems 12 Deletion Policy 13 Concerning New Settings in Creation 14 Titanic Categorization & Demon Names 14.1 Let's see some Nominations!

Exalted Wiki Improvement Drive, proposed by Bodhisattva

Bodhisattva talk contribs 12:15, 28 April 2008 (EDT): CALLING ALL WIKI CONTRIBUTORS! I've had the idea bouncing around in my head over the last couple of days for an "improvement drive" to the Wiki. The basic premise is this:

My plan is to advertise an "improvement drive" within certain guidelines (listed below) to help both gather more active users to this Wiki and to fill out much of the canonical knowledge that has never been contributed to the Wiki. The idea is to set up a 30-day period of activity which any user (with the exception of judges) can participate in (including users already registered to the Wiki), at the end of which, I will purchase a copy of the Compass of Celestial Directions: The Underworld for the user who contributes the most content of the highest quality (as approved by a panel of judges), and send it to the contributor at my own expense. That means that I'll be looking for a judges panel (and since I'm fronting the prize for this contest, I'll be on the panel - an odd number would be best, and I'm looking for either 3 or 5 judges in total {so two or four more}). I think posting this on RPG.net, the Exalted Forums and maybe The Freedom Stone would draw in knowledgeable users.

My requirements for judges are as follows:

• The user must currently be active on the Wiki, as in the last 90 days.
• The user must have no less than 100 mainspace edits. Use the following link to try to see how many you have. Click here and substitute your own username for mine in the address bar.

My rules of the contest are as follows:

• Only edits made while you're logged in to your account name will be accepted. Any edits while not logged into your account name (such as being logged into someone else's account or those recorded from a particular IP address) will not be applied to your contribution total, even if you sign your name to the edit. If you have to register an account here on the wiki, please do so.
• Character count will be applied to contribution total, not number of edits. Contribution count will begin on the first day of the contest. It will not be retroactive to all previous contributions - as an example: I cannot say that since I've got 500,000+ character count in my mainspace contributions, they all count toward my contest total. That would disadvantage and disenfranchise any new contributors.
• Contributions may not be cloned over from other websites (such as Fixalted, the Old Exalted Wiki, RPG.net, etc...). Any contribution found to have 30% or more of its material cloned over from another website will be disqualified from inclusion in the contribution count. We're not cloning over our own old works, or worse, stealing someone else's.
• All contributions must follow the guideline as follows: "When referencing official content from one of the Sourcebooks, please reference the material rather than reproducing it. Errata and/or book/page references are appreciated. Do not post the contents of the books themselves. No entry should diminish, even slightly, the necessity of anyone owning the book that is being referenced." This means that contributions can be synthesized from books, but you can't reproduce information word-for-word by necessity, as has been standard contribution policy thusfar.
• Over the 30 day period, only contributors who contribute 30,000+ characters of new information to the Wiki will be considered for the prize. This establishes a minimum of content for those who want to win.
• Custom Charms will not be accepted into the contribution count. We already have an overabundance of custom Charms on the wiki as is. The same goes for specialty daiklaves.
• Contributors must make a decent effort to spell- and grammar-check their contributions. Judges will collaborate to determine users who are not making an effort to contribute clean and well-written materials. Failure to do so is not grounds for disqualification, however, if someone else tags your contribution page with appropriate templates or categories, they can use that to count for their contribution total.
• Contributors are encouraged to make use of appropriate templates and categories to include in their contributions.
• Contributions to the mainspace will be counted toward contribution-count, but contributions to talk pages will not. We want content, rather than discussion.
• To enter the contest, you must e-mail me with your full name (first and last) and e-mail address, so that if you win, I can e-mail you and get the address to send a copy of the book (Compass of Celestial Directions: The Underworld) to your home.
• If you have any questions about how to contribute or what might be acceptable materials, either check the Quick Start Guide, the Guide to Contributing or ask someone. Knowledge of how to write for a wiki is helpful but not required. You can also check the Wanted Pages to see what articles might need to be created.
• Failure to comply with any of these rules will result in a one-time warning. Any second occurrence of rule-breaking will result in an automatic disqualification. The notable exception is in reproduction of material from the books. Sometimes it is difficult to write a good entry and take care to not reproduce too much material from the books. Such violations of that particular rule will be arbitrated by the judges panel starting with the third offense. This offers a little leniency to those who might be overzealous in their contributions, however, it is up to the contributor to make appropriate changes, not other users or judges - although in the spirit of good faith, good sense and common courtesy, any excess of information from the books should be pointed out by any judge or other contributor to the wiki so that the "offending party" knows what you're talking about. (i.e., be kind enough to politely point out the errors, but do not make the corrections for them.)
• Any and all judges panel decisions are final and not open for appeal.

If anyone else has any suggestions for rules, I would be willing to consider them. Also, if you want to be considered for a judges position, please leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! I'm thinking of starting the contest on May 5 at 10:00AM EST and having it run through June 4 at 10:00AM EST. That gives the judges a few days to arrive at a "winner" and I can have the book shipped out so that the winner can receive it on the release date.

Blast and damn! I probably would have won the contest if it had started a month and a half ago. Now I'll have to come up with another project on top of my warstrider revision to compete. Maybe I'll just fill in missing location stuff. That ought to be good for a few thousand characters and give me an excuse to finish reading my books. -- Bill 12:44, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk contribs 13:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT): So I'm guessing you don't want to be on the panel of judges.  :P Do you think the idea is sound?

Absolutely. I'm a big believer in incentivising participation. On the other hand, to bring a seed of doubt into the mix, I think your pool of participants is kind of small. There are what, about a dozen regular contributors that might qualify for the contest if you were to add things up today? Unless you were willing to commit to a regular contest of this sort I am not sure it would have the degree of impact you're looking for. -- Bill 13:57, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk contribs 14:02, 28 April 2008 (EDT): That's why I want to promote it on other sites - to get people to come here and contribute. Maybe even stick around. I probably would not be willing to do a monthly contest like this, but you never know... The folks over at White Wolf might like it and decide to pick it up. Maybe if some other folks were interested and feeling generous, we could do a quarterly contest like this and do a round-robin of prize-contributors, but I don't want to speak for anyone else or assign them to spend money out of their pockets.

I think the 500 main namespace edit requirement might discourage new folks from participating. Perhaps an explanation of exactly what that means in practical terms would help. -- Bill 14:09, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk contribs 14:39, 28 April 2008 (EDT): The 500 main namespace edit requirement is for judges, not participants. I want judges who are familiar with the ins and outs of using this wiki, not just someone who has an opinion and says, "I want to be a judge!"

Ah, I stand corrected. Let the shameless promotion begin then! -- Bill 03:04, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk contribs 12:39, 29 April 2008 (EDT): I still need two more judges before I can proceed with this. Any volunteers?

The following users qualify under the relaxed judges requirements (my apologies to anyone I miss):

• DawnDragon
• Democritus
• Kukla
• Melindrea
• Hotwaxonlobsters
• Plague of Hats
• RRimmel
• StarHawk

Bodhisattva talk contribs 15:02, 30 April 2008 (EDT): Wow... After going over to the White Wolf Exalted Forum (following the wonderful link over on the left there) and catching up on some of the new threads over there, I'm fairly certain that inviting the members of that community to participate in my proposed drive would be a poor idea. The other communities seem to be much more open-minded, willing to work with others and not set in their own ruts on how things can, should and do work. Reminds me why I don't go there too often. Too many trolls.

Important Note

When referencing official content from one of the Sourcebooks, please reference the material rather than reproducing it. Errata and/or book/page references are appreciated. Do not post the contents of the books themselves. No entry should diminish, even slightly, the necessity of anyone owning the book that is being referenced.

Camel caps (or Camel Caps)

Camel Caps or CamelCaps is done when you have successive words strung together and you capitalize the first letter of each of the words. This is done frequently in computer programming as well as in user-names where spaces are not allowed.

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List Of Houserules

Quote: Caps Urban Dictionary

Throughout this document, articles use CamelCaps for their names. This propably is a holdover from the old wiki, were CamelCaps words were used for link and article generation. Now Mediawiki (this software) no longer requires this, in fact it even seems negative to do so. Why?

Using CamelCaps is not orthograpically correct and forces odd/careful link generation or redirect pages.

The articlename "List Of Houserules" is actually not a name and would have to be written "list of houserules". Now creating an orthograpically correct Link would require [[List Of Houserules|list of houserules]] instead of [[list of houserules]].

Another complication is that Mediawiki also forces the first letter in each article to be Uppercase. This means the article for the topic "list of houserules" would have to actually be named "List of houserules". This is of no consequence for the links however, because Mediawiki knows this and automatically changes the first letter to upercase. [[list of houserules]] will link to List of Houserules.

Note that CamelCaps would still be appropriate for names such as "Mouth of Peace".

So why all of this? Because we might want to consider using a no CamelCaps policy on the wiki? Obviously there's a problem with a lot of already created pages and frankly, it just might not be worth the work of moving them all. And there propably won't be anyone who wants to actually deal with that trouble, yet we might want to consider establishing this as a guideline for future articles?

--Democritus

Thaumaturgy & Other Namespaces

Should we get still more namespaces added? Specifically, "Procedures:" for thaumaturgy, "Drugs:", "Diseases:" and "Poisons:"? Do we have "Mutations:"? Are they necessary? Are there any more we should have? -Plague of Hats 11:40, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

If you feel there's a need fro those, ask Conrad. I'm not sure we'd need drugs, diseases or poisons. Those just aren't as frequently created by fans as mutations or charms. and yes I do believe we have mutations. let me check.... yes we have Merits: Flaws: Knacks: Mutations: --Democritus 13:48, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Perhaps we could add a space for misc items and skills? That would cover drugs, poisons and proceadures plus a lot of other things. As far as diseases I think you could put that into encounters or story seeds. I'd like to see a space for creatures. BunniRabbi 22:36, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Naming Convention

The convention for "common" names on the Wiki seems pretty well established: The White and Black Treatises, Wonders of the Lost Age. These should probably be maintained (just "Gods & Elementals"), or switched over to full titles (adding "Books of Sorcery..."), for the purposes of the categories of Charms (such as the recently added Spirit Charms). -Plague of Hats 11:28, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Canonical vs. Non-Canonical Charm Names

As I'm new to the wiki, a little guidance is appreciated. I've been contemplating doing a conversion of the Alchemical Exalted to Second Edition rules, complete with new charms for social and mass combat. The idea is to do for First Edition Alchemicals what MoEP:Lunars did for the First Edition Lunar charmset: namely, remove a lot of useless, gimmicky, or boring charm effects and replace them with more versatile ones that better reflect the flexibility of their Attribute-based charms.

The question is this: What is the official policy with regard to non-canon charms that share the same name as canonical charms? An example is Essence Pulse Cannon. Originally it was a Supplemental charm, on the grounds that it "augment[s] the attack roll by providing an attack." Because that justification never made much sense, and because it seemed too much like a duplication of another ranged attack charm, I decided to change it to a less bulky Simple charm that more closely resembles Elemental Bolt Attack in function. Is it acceptable for me to create this charm page under the name "Essence Pulse Cannon," as it is obviously based on the First Edition charm, or do I need to rename the charm to avoid confusion? Thundaka 01:29, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Multiple Charms can live comfortably on the same page, but I would suggest you go with an individualized address, like User:Thundaka/Alchemical Charms/Charms:Essence Pulse Cannon, to leave things uncluttered. -Plague of Hats 11:27, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Bodhisattva talk contribs 15:16, 13 February 2008 (EST): Plague of Hats is correct. It is best to set your custom Charms into your own private namespace for organizational purposes. I know some people reference the Wiki to quick-check Charms.

Naming Conventions

There are a variety of ways in which entries dealing with the Roll are named. I think a "one true way" should be decided upon, but I can't say I'm partial to any particular one. Whatever is decided on, I think the actual entry for the book (and, later, books) should be named under the "standard" and the other pages becomes redirects. For instance, the spirit Charms currently in the database variously list "Gods & Elementals", "Roll of Glorious Divinity I" and "Roll of Glorious Divinity I: Gods & Elementals." I would personally vote for "Roll of Glorious Divinity I," since that is what's on the cover. -Plague of Hats 14:20, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

What should the standard listed "source" be for Charms from Dreams? Dreams of the First Age, or the book proper Lords of Creation? -Plague of Hats 12:33, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

167.102.161.90 12:39, 25 April 2008 (EDT): I would go with the book proper.

Organization of Information

The subject arises from my ponderings on the Wyld talk page: How should we generally organize information? For instance, there seems to be a lot of pages that amount to stubs that could really be consolidated into a single page. Whose Whispers Chain and other Neverborn could just go on the Neverborn page. Do the Deathlords really each need their own page? The wiki seems like it might shape up to be a bunch of tiny tidbits scattered across thousands of pages. -Plague of Hats 13:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk contribs 13:23, 29 April 2008 (EDT): I'm not in favor of having a million stub-pages either. However, part of the issue that arises is one of being able to find information easily. When looking for information just about the Middlemarches, you'd want to be able to go straight to a page about it. Granted, the Middlemarches is fairly easy to discern that it's a part of the Wyld (if you know anything about it) and you can quickly find what you're looking for, but other items aren't quite so easy to locate sometimes. Of course, some of the articles we've got are mostly placeholders until someone else comes along to develop them more fully. Personally, I'd rather see tidbit pages than thousands of redirect pages.

I think in many cases, where the smaller is part of the whole (Middlemarches / Wyld for example) we can easily consolidate information on one page, with #redirects for thigns such as Middlemarches etc.

However for articles that are part of a "category" but not an actual subset, that should not be the case (ie. Deathlords / individual deathlords). Y'get? -Democritus

Bodhisattva talk contribs 14:19, 29 April 2008 (EDT): I get it, and find it to be a perfectly acceptable compromise.  :)

Random page

Could we get a random page link on the left toolbar, perhaps under 'content' or 'navigation'? I am no wiki-sage, so I don't even know how to go about this even if I had access to that code. Tikor 14:52, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 16:23, 22 May 2009 (EDT): One must have administrative access to do that.

Who are the administrators (an e-mail address will do) and how should I make my case to them that random pages are awesome? Tikor 13:43, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 15:23, 26 May 2009 (EDT): We currently have zero active administrators. I've been attempting to get the powers that be to promote someone to administrator status, but so far, I have had no luck.

As above, I'm no wiki-sage, but running a wiki with 0 active administrators sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Could you PM me the e-mail addresses of the powers that be so I can add my voice to resisting this madness? I'm also Tikor on the WW forums. Tikor 15:15, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for the Random Page!!!! Tikor 11:03, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

List of _____ Charms pages

I think these could do with a little overhauling. Should we get rid of the lengthy, line-by-line, unboxed lists of Charms that are at the bottom of some (like the List of Solar Charms) and just have the boxed, caste/trait tables, along with the Official/Unofficial division? Should the Template:ToCCharms go on the top or bottom? Most ToCs seem to be on the bottom of the pages they're on. Anything else that should might maybe need doing? -Plague of Hats 18:49, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 21:24, 14 June 2009 (EDT): I am in favor of getting rid of the line-by-line unboxed lists because they require too much scrolling and take up so little of the page. Plus, setting them into categories like I did on the List of Lunar Charms, List of Fair Folk Charms and List of Alchemical Charms pages, for example, makes it easier for users to find and sort Charms––not to mention reduces the amount of scrolling one must do to see all the Charms.

Rich White Templates With Problems

I've noticed that the various Artifact templates have Source links that go directly to the named source, instead of the "X from" category that Charms and Spells use. I can go ahead and fix this later unless there's an objection. Also, there are a few Sidereal Charms from the ST Companion that are entered separately from their entries from the Manual. Should I get rid of these? -Plague of Hats 17:51, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 22:43, 17 June 2009 (EDT): Can you point to some examples so that I can see what you're talking about, please?

All the Charms in Category:Charms from Second Edition Storytellers Companion. -Plague of Hats 01:47, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 07:47, 18 June 2009 (EDT): If someone owns the Second Edition Storyteller's Companion and not the fatsplats, that's kind of foolish, but I think it's important that we accommodate for them as well.

Finally, there's Template:Clinc. I'm not savvy enough to do it or even know if it can be done, but the existence of so many same-name Charms from First and Second Edition alone can make use of the template a problem. Not to mention there are only so many names one can think of and tons of fan created Charms. Is it possible for clinc to be given a parameter to point to a specific Charm template out of many, like ((clinc|Pounding Hammer of Devastation|Plague of Hats))? -Plague of Hats 17:51, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 22:43, 17 June 2009 (EDT): Actually, that template's been there for quite some time, I believe. As far as what you're asking for, can you please be a little more clear? I'm not quite sure what you need.

The template has been around for quite a while. I'm just saying that if I, say, did ((clinc|Dual Slaying Stance)) it would give me both Courteous Mongoose's version and the old Caste Book: Night version. The only way around that that I'm aware of is to paste in the entire write-up of the particular Charm you want, which will itself link back to the original article with multiple versions. -Plague of Hats 01:47, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Also also. The Universal Charm template doesn't appear to include Official/User Created categories. I don't know how to fix that. -Plague of Hats 01:47, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 07:47, 18 June 2009 (EDT): Since we never did separate Charms of the same name out by book or edition, this could be tougher. I can look into that template to see if we can include the source, but chances are, if we can get it to work the way you want, you'd have to go back to all uses of {{clinc|}} and include the source so that they all link properly again. Transclusion can be weird sometimes, so I'll do what I can. If we can't do it that way, then we're going to have to edit every page where there are multiple Charms per page and see if we can't either split them up with headers or split them off onto different pages. I'll also check the Official/User Created Categories on the Universal template when I can to make sure it has what it needs, but basically, if you can clone it off of a working Charm template onto the Universal Charm template, it should work.

Deletion Policy

Could this get a bit clearer? I understand only admins can actually delete pages, but I'd like to know how I can best recommend pages for deletion and settle on one deletion template? Exalted Wiki:Deletion policy links to pages like Exalted Wiki:Votes for deletion but the links to start a new discussion appear broken. Tikor 16:37, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 20:01, 21 June 2009 (EDT): Yes, only administrators can delete pages. However, should you feel that someone put up some really, really awful stuff, you can recommend that page for deletion rather than marking it with the {{DeleteMe}} template. When the wiki acquires more traffic, that will become the standard of practice. As it is now, most of what gets marked for deletion is old and abandoned pages.

Thanks, Bodhisattva. So I should just continue to use the {{DeleteMe}} template and provide reasons I think the page should be deleted at the moment? Tikor 22:00, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

Concerning New Settings in Creation

I am a little confused about where I would link up a new setting I am putting up on the wiki. I went through the tutorial and content areas trying to find any clear guideline, and I just didn't feel write manually adding it into the Locations section without checking first. It is not an alternate world to play Exalted in, so the Alternate Setting area didn't seem right. Should I just add it into the Scavenger Lands locations index and add the Non-Cannon content template, or is there another area for it to go that I am just missing? Thanks :) Scionic 09:52, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 22:42, 11 August 2009 (EDT): You can add it to the Scavenger Lands location index, under a new heading of "Other Places of Note" and add the non-canon template.

Titanic Categorization & Demon Names

There are a number of Yozis that were clearly named and characterized very differently before their imprisonment who are categorized as Primordials. There are also a number of Neverborn similarly categorized, most of whose names are almost certainly not what they went by as Primordials and of which I don't think we have any premortem names. Meanwhile, Adrián is properly categorized. Is there any reason to leave these categorizations in place, or shall I go ahead and sort the entries out properly? Also, the names of demon entries on the wiki are inconsistent. They should either all be pluralized or singularized. I vote the latter. I would also suggest that the Hopping Puppeteer and Passion Moray be moved to their "proper" names, especially since that is how they are presented in Roll II. -Plague of Hats 13:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 15:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC): Please categorize the rest of the entries. Hopping Puppeteer and Passion Moray redirect to Marotte and Noresore respectively and should be left alone.

Let's see some Nominations!

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Exalted Wiki Administrator 15:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC): Please make your nominations immediately for the following categories for the month of September:

1. Hero of the Month
2. Custom Artifact of the Month
3. Custom Charm of the Month
4. Custom Magic of the Month
5. House Rule of the Month

Thank you.